I guess the machine i was building it on was retarded built it on a different box no prob, copied it over, was missing /usr/lib/libncurses.so.4 so i linked my .5 to .4 and now its working great thanks for the help Kevin _______________________________________________ ap-utils mailing list ap-utils@kiev.iorta.com http://ap-utils.polesye.net/mailman/listinfo/ap-utils